SFR, Inc.

[TheLazyhase]

Hello.

I am a bit bored and want to do a IT project on my free time. One of the numerous idea that are on the tables for me would be to do an informatic version of Dragon Diceâ„¢. I.E. a version that launch dice, resolve spells, recall the game state, everything for a standard game.

Of course, before even writing one line of this, I want to know whether SFR is cool with that.

There is three options I see :
* SFR don't want that to be done, period.
* SFR is cool with that as long as it stay private and don't leak on the internet and the "definitive" version is sent to them (I.E. I will only use it to play with some friend and make sure nobody except me and SFR if they want have access to the code)
* SFR is cool with that as long as copyrights and legaleses to remind that it's their product are here. (not unlike http://www.boardgaming-online.com/ which allow to play for free a complete online version of a smallish boardgame)

The most likely option seem to be the second one, but I want to be real sure not to cause trouble to SFR.

In every case, the goal is to do something free in my spare time, not to propose services to SFR or promise anything to anybody. And even if SFR allow me to proceed, I won't guarantee that the project will be finished soon, or even at all.

[cliffwiggs]

The second you don't even have to tell us at all. If you don't distribute it then what happens at home, stays at home.

The third one. would be similar to DDInventory or DDAssist. As long as you don't monetize it and keep copy right notices intact, I see no issues (just I'm not the current president, so its only 80% my call)

You already excluded providing services to SFR, that would be an entirely different matter and if you wanted to discuss that (either now or after you are successful) send me a PM.
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[chuckpint]

Well, I am the president, and I'm cool with #3.

Not to discourage you or anything, but a number of people have started this and never finished. Which is why most on-line games are played on our forum. BTW, we have the server bandwidth to look at hosting something on our servers. So if that is the route you want to go, let me know (Cliff handles most of the website UI, I do most of the back-end).

I'm going to move this thread to "Artwork, stories, and other user contributed stuff.", that's where it should be. Please feel free to post any questions, status, links to prototypes, whatever that you feel necessary to making this work.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Diceâ„¢ sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Diceâ„¢, 20,000 Daemon Diceâ„¢, and others (too many to count).

[TheLazyhase]

[TheLazyhase]

I have done the very first block : an army roller.

It's not yet useable by non-techie because the whole stuff is a command line python script, making a web interface for this is the second step.

Also, modifier have still to be added as number. In other word, you don't enter, say "n Palsy" but "save penalty of n".

Still, some result that it give, with a FrostWing army :

[chuckpint]

Remember that the modifiers are always in the order of: subtract (don't go
below zero), divide (round down), multiply, racial (convert), add.

Don't forget, a lot of SAIs that work in most rolls don't work in a maneuver roll (like Cantrip). And SAIs are only modified by terrain effects. Let me break down that last "loaded" maneuver roll: normal maneuver = 6, SAI maneuver = 6. So subtract 6 from the normal results = 0. Divide normal results by 8(?) = 0, divide SAI results by 2 (minor terrain) 6 / 2 = 3. Multiply normal results by 2 = 0, terrain multiply SAI 3 * 2 = 6 SAI maneuver, (no racial), add 4 = 10. So your final result is 10.

Your example of Dwarves and Treefolk at a Highland counter-maneuver would be: (8 - 4) x 2 = 8. However, take that same example at a Flatland. Dwarves don't double. So you get anything from 4 to 8 depending on which results are subtracted from. Smart player subtracts the 4 from the Dwarf results, letting the Treefolk results double. So your first bug doesn't exist.

Your second bug also doesn't exist. You cannot modify the Fly SAI results by any effect in the game currently that subtracts. So you have to subtract from the normal (Dwarf) results, and leave the Fly results separate.

So the program (just as live players do) has to total normal and SAI results in separate columns.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Diceâ„¢ sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Diceâ„¢, 20,000 Daemon Diceâ„¢, and others (too many to count).

[TheLazyhase]

For the cantrip, the bug was that I mistakenly thought that maneuver was an action, which it isn't. I have fixed that. Thanks.

It's implemented in this order for now :
base icons
subtract (not under 0)
divide (spell, SAI, breath)
divide (other effect that can affect SAI, like terrains)
round down
multiply (spell, SAI, breath)
multiply (other effect that can affect SAI, like terrains)
racial multiply
racial convert
addition

which seem to be the good one, even if it's a bit more detailled

[chuckpint]

If the effect affects both normal and SAI results, then they are done together. Since currently that is only terrain effects (major or minor), you only have to do that. Your proposed flow looks like it would handle that just fine. BTW, both Cliff and I are programmers. And I'm sure a fair number of our active players on the forums are programmers. So we understand the problem of programming those nuances.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Diceâ„¢ sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Diceâ„¢, 20,000 Daemon Diceâ„¢, and others (too many to count).

[TheLazyhase]

To be honest, I will certainly not look at thoses two bugs too hard until I have something useable enough, since they are pretty cornercase and require a lot of thought to correct them.

Another thing I have to correct are multi-icon roll, like Dragon roll and some spell avoidance roll. On thoses, ID icon (that count as one of the needed icon) give one of each instead, while it need to ask what the player want to get.

[TheLazyhase]

Mixed and combined rolls are working !

(what I call a mixed roll is when multiples types of icon do the same effect, like a charge-augmented combat roll, while I call combination roll when the icon are used for different effect, like dragon defence roll or Tidal Wave roll - I know both are named combination roll in the rulebook, but there is a fundamental difference for the computer : one need human input for ID icon and versatiles SAI like Fly, not the other)

First example, a dragon defence roll :

[cliffwiggs]

[TheLazyhase]

[cliffwiggs]

I understand and agree.

Chuck does more of the lower level stuff.

I've been forced into corporate programming, so more form than content.

So I get paid to do human process optimization from a corporate level, but I love dice and stats for fun. I also dabble in web and tablet and mobile for fun, but those are usually coder-ware. i.e. by coders, for coders and not for general distribution.

If you have experience doing web games, then once you are done with this project we may be able to do some stuff together.

and I don't use GIT within my day job and they ask I used SVN for source control. But I'm dangerous enough i can pull from your GIT once you post it.
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[chuckpint]

I use both GIT and SVN all the time. No reason to setup GIT (or SVN) on SFR's server at this point. I haven't used gibhub at this point, but I've used Source Forge a lot. So just let us know the project link, I can look at it from there. I setup an account there (chuckpint).
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Diceâ„¢ sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Diceâ„¢, 20,000 Daemon Diceâ„¢, and others (too many to count).

[cliffwiggs]

you are so proactive.

I was gonna wait until a few successes were shown and then go pull the code.
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[TheLazyhase]

Well, finally I have created the repository : https://github.com/TheLazyHase/dragon_dice_simulator

Only for technically-oriented people, and I have put most of the todo and the future goal in the readme

[cliffwiggs]

I see you've chosen to hard code the dice faces, etc.

Do you have a database of them already or I can easily export you a data dump from the online web browser one.
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[TheLazyhase]

No, I don't have a database for the dices. It will soon be pretty useful, since tomorrow I will be connecting the ORM to the army maker. The current army maker was a placeholder.

(by the way, you use mysql for the site ?)

[chuckpint]

Yes, we use mysql for a number of things, not the least of which is this forum.
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You can never have too many dice.
First Place at the first ever Daemon Diceâ„¢ sealed starter tournament.
Battlefest tied for first GenCon 2012
Single Race Champion GenCon 2008-2009, Sealed Box Champion GenCon 2007,2009,
My collection is 21,500 Dragon Diceâ„¢, 20,000 Daemon Diceâ„¢, and others (too many to count).

[cliffwiggs]

Do you want to use our database structure or define your own?
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Multiplayer Champion Gencon11/Battlefest Champion(tied) GenCon10/World Champion GenCon07/National Champion Origins05/Intermediate Champion GenCon02/Novice Champion Origins99