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PostPosted: Sun Dec 02, 2018 10:27 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

No other effect. The white logo has the individual saves, and the special for dragon attacks, and nothing else.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:26 pm GMT    Post subject: Confused on an SAI note Reply with quote

In the SAI section of the latest v4 rules, it is stated "Only SAIs that generate save results function in the DUA, unless the SAI specifically states otherwise."

Confused about the placement of "only".

Create Fireminions generates Save results. Does this mean the Save results function in only the DUA?

Should the SAI note state instead "SAIs that generate only save results..." ?

Was the note intended for Rise From the Ashes or Vanish where Save is the only applicable result? If so, then perhaps the note can be buried within those two SAIs' descriptions.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 22, 2018 8:17 pm GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

There are a number of effects that kill and then cause the unit to have to save or be buried. That rule is telling you when a unit is in the DUA, and it is rolled to see if it generates a save, that SAIs that generate save results will work are the only ones that work, unless SAI says specifically it has an effect in the DUA. Rise From the Ashes is the only SAI that specifically states it has an effect in the DUA.

The rule is to prevent strange things from happening, like trying to cast a Cantrip in the DUA, or use a Ferry to move out of the DUA.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 11:38 am GMT    Post subject: Reply with quote

chuckpint wrote:
There are a number of effects that kill and then cause the unit to have to save or be buried. That rule is telling you when a unit is in the DUA, and it is rolled to see if it generates a save, that SAIs that generate save results will work are the only ones that work, unless SAI says specifically it has an effect in the DUA. Rise From the Ashes is the only SAI that specifically states it has an effect in the DUA.

The rule is to prevent strange things from happening, like trying to cast a Cantrip in the DUA, or use a Ferry to move out of the DUA.


I get it. I was focused on the "SAIs generating Saves" part, where-as the DUA is the subject of the sentence.

Perhaps a clearer approach would be "In the DUA, only SAI Save results function unless the SAI specifically states otherwise."
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